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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://plutonica.net/2007/12/02/beyond-the-books/comment-page-1/#comment-11193</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site was decidedly fantastic! Lots of good information and creativity, both of which we all need!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11193&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site was decidedly fantastic! Lots of good information and creativity, both of which we all need!
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		<title>By: Psyche</title>
		<link>http://plutonica.net/2007/12/02/beyond-the-books/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Psyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this was expanded in my initial argument on the forum to include all media, but books do provide an opportunity for depth not easily achieved with other recorded media.  

That said, the living context that can be grasped from a movie filmed in the 40s, or a documentary on Alexandrian witches from the seventies can give a sense of the period - the people, their movements, the props, etc. - that can&#039;t be adequately expressed through books.

Books aren&#039;t the be-all end-all - but they&#039;re a hell of a &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/I&gt;.

Re: Book club...this will have to be something I revisit in the new calendar year.  I envision a pretentious group lounging in my living room with arcane texts, cocktails and stunning intellectual debates, but the reality is more likely to be shouting in a pub whilst attempting to avoid spilling lager on some Llewellyn title.  I haven&#039;t found somewhere that would serve as a suitable median between the two extremes.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-30&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this was expanded in my initial argument on the forum to include all media, but books do provide an opportunity for depth not easily achieved with other recorded media.  </p>
<p>That said, the living context that can be grasped from a movie filmed in the 40s, or a documentary on Alexandrian witches from the seventies can give a sense of the period &#8211; the people, their movements, the props, etc. &#8211; that can&#8217;t be adequately expressed through books.</p>
<p>Books aren&#8217;t the be-all end-all &#8211; but they&#8217;re a hell of a <i>start</i>.</p>
<p>Re: Book club&#8230;this will have to be something I revisit in the new calendar year.  I envision a pretentious group lounging in my living room with arcane texts, cocktails and stunning intellectual debates, but the reality is more likely to be shouting in a pub whilst attempting to avoid spilling lager on some Llewellyn title.  I haven&#8217;t found somewhere that would serve as a suitable median between the two extremes.
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		<title>By: Gesigewigus</title>
		<link>http://plutonica.net/2007/12/02/beyond-the-books/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Gesigewigus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yeah, you are right, without the good books to help your understanding, then the bad books aren&#039;t as useful.

And of course, with the whole thing about reading more to expand your views, it&#039;s not often, but there are a few rare tv shows, that help push you too, and help you explore your worldview, or expand it.  

&quot;This has me thinking about the book club I wanted to start, but haven’t quite gotten around to sorting out yet.&quot;

I was actually thinking about that on the bus home tonight, I remember you polling about it, and then, it dropped off the radar.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yeah, you are right, without the good books to help your understanding, then the bad books aren&#8217;t as useful.</p>
<p>And of course, with the whole thing about reading more to expand your views, it&#8217;s not often, but there are a few rare tv shows, that help push you too, and help you explore your worldview, or expand it.  </p>
<p>&#8220;This has me thinking about the book club I wanted to start, but haven’t quite gotten around to sorting out yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was actually thinking about that on the bus home tonight, I remember you polling about it, and then, it dropped off the radar.
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		<title>By: Psyche</title>
		<link>http://plutonica.net/2007/12/02/beyond-the-books/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Psyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“You learn as much from a bad book, as you do from a good book”

The potential is certainly there, but if &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; one ever reads are &quot;bad books&quot;, the lack of exposure to &quot;good books&quot; will reveal itself in conversation.  (&quot;Tarot comes from the Gypsies&quot;, &quot;Satanists eat babies&quot;, etc.)

This is where variety comes in.  Wide exposure to many different fields will enrich every avenue of passionate interest.  You never know how that genetic book will influence your philosophy and magickal practice, or when that novel will spark new modes of thinking.

What&#039;s funny about this is that one of the most celebrated magickians of the nineteenth century was essentially what we would today call an armchair magickian: Eliphas Levi - but that&#039;s a blog for another day.  (Though I agree with you this is not  a desirable state - it rather negates the point of bothering with it at all.)

Regarding reading critically, there are many books, I&#039;m sure.  Northrup Frye offers a lot of insight, and books about authors writing can reveal a lot about the process (one of my favourites is Berton&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Joy of Writing&lt;/i&gt;).  For me though, most of it comes from talking about what I&#039;m reading, sharing it with whoever&#039;s around me, and writing about.  Writing allows me to clarify my thoughts, set them in order, and (hopefully!) get feedback on how others interpreted the material.  

This has me thinking about the book club I wanted to start, but haven&#039;t quite gotten around to sorting out yet.

Regarding practical magickal work, of course, nothing beats trying out what&#039;s written, either as is or stylized (ideally both at some point, or a combination).

I miss Northrup.  Perhaps its time for another visit.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You learn as much from a bad book, as you do from a good book”</p>
<p>The potential is certainly there, but if <i>all</i> one ever reads are &#8220;bad books&#8221;, the lack of exposure to &#8220;good books&#8221; will reveal itself in conversation.  (&#8220;Tarot comes from the Gypsies&#8221;, &#8220;Satanists eat babies&#8221;, etc.)</p>
<p>This is where variety comes in.  Wide exposure to many different fields will enrich every avenue of passionate interest.  You never know how that genetic book will influence your philosophy and magickal practice, or when that novel will spark new modes of thinking.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny about this is that one of the most celebrated magickians of the nineteenth century was essentially what we would today call an armchair magickian: Eliphas Levi &#8211; but that&#8217;s a blog for another day.  (Though I agree with you this is not  a desirable state &#8211; it rather negates the point of bothering with it at all.)</p>
<p>Regarding reading critically, there are many books, I&#8217;m sure.  Northrup Frye offers a lot of insight, and books about authors writing can reveal a lot about the process (one of my favourites is Berton&#8217;s <i>The Joy of Writing</i>).  For me though, most of it comes from talking about what I&#8217;m reading, sharing it with whoever&#8217;s around me, and writing about.  Writing allows me to clarify my thoughts, set them in order, and (hopefully!) get feedback on how others interpreted the material.  </p>
<p>This has me thinking about the book club I wanted to start, but haven&#8217;t quite gotten around to sorting out yet.</p>
<p>Regarding practical magickal work, of course, nothing beats trying out what&#8217;s written, either as is or stylized (ideally both at some point, or a combination).</p>
<p>I miss Northrup.  Perhaps its time for another visit.
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		<title>By: Gesigewigus</title>
		<link>http://plutonica.net/2007/12/02/beyond-the-books/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Gesigewigus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;take note of those you don’t and figure out where the disconnect is or how you’d phrase a passage to suit your understanding.&quot;

This is the heart of one of my sayings &quot;You learn as much from a bad book, as you do from a good book&quot;  If you don&#039;t agree with something in a book, try to understand why you don&#039;t agree, why the author would say it, and is there a way what they said does suit your view if perceived another way?

I think the only time reading is &quot;over-rated&quot; is when you let it become that passive absorption like television (in this case the armchair magician).

Now I&#039;m just wondering if there is a book on how to read critically, heh.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;take note of those you don’t and figure out where the disconnect is or how you’d phrase a passage to suit your understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the heart of one of my sayings &#8220;You learn as much from a bad book, as you do from a good book&#8221;  If you don&#8217;t agree with something in a book, try to understand why you don&#8217;t agree, why the author would say it, and is there a way what they said does suit your view if perceived another way?</p>
<p>I think the only time reading is &#8220;over-rated&#8221; is when you let it become that passive absorption like television (in this case the armchair magician).</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m just wondering if there is a book on how to read critically, heh.
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